[928uk] Car broke in Belgium

Simon Crowe simon.crowe at e-crowe.com
Sat Sep 29 14:51:50 UTC 2018 

Mike 

The GTS sensors, one each side of the car under the dash, are the airbag sensors. These are wired into a specific airbag system.

If they can’t fix it or flatbed it, make sure they don’t tow is too far with the rear wheels turning on the road. The gearboxes don’t like it .

Simon 



> On 29 Sep 2018, at 15:00, Michael Parris <michaeljparris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure what company I'm with as it's through our bank.  They said not possible to flat bed it.
> 
> I know the GTS has sensors up under the dash for accident that wouldn't be on a 1990 Japan model would it?
> I'm not sure if I got the connectors on the relay socket properly to test for voltage. I wasn't getting any from 87 and 30 of the FP relay.
> So could be something cuts the voltage to that socket to stop fuel in a bump?
> 
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, 15:46 Andrew Brierley, <brierley28 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> Mike its a long time go (2000) so regulations may be different now my GT broke down in Germany. I had RAC European cover and they recovered the car all the way to Loe Bank Motors. I got a lift with George Layton to Dover and RAC paid for a hire car for me to drive from Dover to home. They did offer a repair in Germany but I refused.
>> Maybe be worth exploring(insisting) if you can get it recovered to home on a flatbed.
>> Cheers
>> Andrew
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2018, at 14:30, Michael Parris <michaeljparris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope, tried all I can it's not running. 
>>> Car staying in Belgium and taken to Porsche on Monday. Crap knows what that's going to cost me.
>>> We are going home by train from Brussels. Insurance will pay all that and for me to come back to collect car. No idea what they'll do with car if it can't be fixed as cars have to go on train or ferry under own power. 
>>> Doubt I'll do the IOW trip now.
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, 14:28 Michael Parris, <michaeljparris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fuel pump doesn't run even bridged. Trying to reverse polarity to see if frees
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, 12:40 Michael Parris via 928uk, <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I can't do anything till I get to services after being recovered. Still waiting. Tell me more about the accident switch? I can't research it from here and don't want to work on the car on the shoulder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, 12:09 Jan-Willem Labeij via 928uk, <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> There is an accident cut off switch to stop the engine in case of a big jolt, these always have a reset. Unfortunately I do not know the location but it should be in the engine bay.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> JeWe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:57, Adrian Langford via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or going for simpler possibilities - maybe the shock damaged one of the key relays - pump, LH or EZK in which case you can swap in horn relay to rest, or maybe carrying spare 53?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:51, Adrian Langford via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That sounds a pain Mike - do you have breakdown/recovery cover if necessary?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My thoughts turned to which connectors/components would stop fuel/ignition. Maybe shock fractured CPS coil?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:34, Michael Parris <michaeljparris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Currently stranded, ran over a pothole at 75 and engine stopped and won't restart, just turns over. Tried reseating a few electronic things.  Can't do much more on shoulder as dangerous. Waiting for cops to arrive.
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>> 90s4 deaded
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, 19:32 Kevin Fearon via 928uk, <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have this bulb check problem with my S2, and haven't yet been able to sort it out. Ignition on, check lights lit for under a second. I can hear a click from a relay behind the centre console that coincides with the warning lights going out even though the engine hasn't started. On my 1985 car there is a bank of four relays behind the radio and I can feel one of them clicking synchronous with the check lights extinguishing. I haven't had any alternator problems, and have changed the warning system module with one from another car; problem remains.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm starting to think it is related to terminal 50 from the ignition switch but haven't investigated further yet.
>>>>>>>>>> I've done an internet trawl for any relevant information and compiled it into a work document. I'll dig it out and post it up.
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck, and let me know if you fix it? Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: Paul via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>>>>>> To: 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018, 9:17
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Emergency Alternator Question
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Although the Alternator Failure hasn't returned I now have a new symptom of something that has gone awry
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> When switching on the ignition, the 'bulb check' only lasts for half a second before the the dash changes to 'engine running' status, although it hasn't been started
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This means I have flashing central warning lamp for low oil pressure
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This has never happened before, and definitely coincides with the alternator failure yesterday
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It is unlikely that I am going to go out of my way to try to fix this, but if it has a known cause then that would be very useful to know
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>> 87 S4 Manual
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 at 12:31, Simon <simon at acs-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Cool!! 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Driving is better than washing & polishing!. Never wash the car before going on something critical like two days at the ring! As you know I have turned up in my green one very dirty and just love driving it and maintaining it but even though it is usually dirtier the rain it is still admired!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Before the 40th anniversary me last year I got someone to wash my black GTS which is never ever let me down and I told him not to squirt too much water over the windscreen and bonnet and guess what he did. And water got in somewhere and I was up all night rectifying the problem and arrived late at lunchtime. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And on my green car I washed it in Devon which had very high water pressure and the brains got wet and had to be sorted out. . All because of washing. Grrr!!  Geoff Symonds very kindly lent me two of his. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Have a great time! Be back with you next year Paul. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2018, at 12:15, Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you - Leave Well Alone!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Done several more laps without issue so I think Smiffy is right
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake was putting the car through the car wash and then driving just 100 yards before leaving it overnight
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Water must have pooled somewhere and then caused a soaking once the hard cornering started
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On the second red flag now, but the weather is great so will be enjoying the sun during the break
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>> 87 S4 Manual
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 at 11:13, Simon <simon at acs-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> PS. I have just re-read your email. If the alternator is working now I would leave everything well alone and only do actions if it fails again. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck and all the best, 
>>>>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2018, at 11:09, Simon <simon at acs-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! Poor you, you don’t have much luck at the Ring do you mate?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have some thoughts. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Why bother with the heated rear screen? Sometimes the relay sticks and causes trouble so I would pull the relay. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Go and buy a spare battery and a charger. I would’ve thought both batteries would last you for the day even if the alternator is not chucking power out. It may come on and off and charge from time to time. I expect Darren would let you plug your other battery and charger in at Mission control in the Ring Taxi office. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Wiggle the alternator fuse and relay if they exist. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Disconnect the battery and loosen off the jumpstart terminal and wiggle/clean all the wires on it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. I know this is emergency stuff and not good practice but you are in that situation now. Try spraying some WD-40 into the alternator that might just clean up the contacts on the brushes or something or even belt the thing with a hammer & 1/2 inch drive extension bar and get a new one when you get home. ! 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is only what I would do in an emergency. But it is an emergency because you have paid a lot of money and gone all the way out there and you need to get the laps in mate!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> GGOD LUCK!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Say hi to my favourite place on Earth. I LOVE the Ring and sorry not to be there this time. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best Paul & in haste as I am away, Best regards Simon
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> PS if you need me to look up fuse really charts or anything like that email me and I will try and help. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 27 Sep 2018, at 08:30, Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > The alternator cut out half way through my first lap at the Ring
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I kept going and about 2 or 3 mins later it came back again, and has been working for last 20 miles or so
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Symptoms were alternator light on, voltage gauge at min, tacho pegged at 5k
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > The car was fine first thing in the morning, and I switch on everything: lights, rear defrost, front defrost etc
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > But 20 mins later during the first lap the alternator fails
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I did put the car through a car wash last night, but the jump start terminal does have the cover, and the multi-way plug was dry when I checked it just now
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Belt tension is good, no sign of contamination, and no weird noises
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Any suggestions as to the cause?
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Any predictions about what might happen next?
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks - Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 87 S4 Manual
>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
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