[928uk] ULEZ

[Alexander Popov]

Adrian, 

I think you are right and you are wrong :) Europe has been far more draconian in terms of ULEZ implementation- Germany for example and the Green Plakette. Yet, there people still drive classics and benefit from various allowances- like you voluntarily agreeing to restricted mileage, no mods etc, but in return getting lower taxes or being allowed to enter the big cities. 

What personally worries me is the ever so creeping Big Brother. Can you imagine (the shock horror) You, and just You being in control of a 1.5tonnes of metal powered by a 320bhp petrol engine?!! No DSC/ASC/Lane departure/Radar Cruise Control/Autonomous driver assist?!! Just think of the children!!! 

We all know about the EU Directive coming into force in 2022. Yes, it won’t affect older cars in the letter of the law. However, how long before Insurance Cos begin to insist on us fitting black boxes to our classics? And yes, we would have the option of not fitting them but the offset would be premiums at levels multiple of black box premises. In my mind that is what would kill the classic car in the future. Gvts and business driving you off the road via higher premium for insurance. 

The £12.5 per day for the ULEZ in the context of a £2000 per annum budget to keep a 928 in good shape is not very much. Face a £2k insurance bill and a £1k road tax bill and things do take on a different dimension...

Alex



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> On 21 Apr 2019, at 20:38, Adrian Langford via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Paul I’m not disputing a contribution to urban pollution from ICE cars (albeit they contribute half the emissions of domestic gas boilers, and a little less than cement mixers and similar machinery), just sad that so many wonderful cars from what can be regarded as a golden age of car design will drift into disuse as many more towns and cities in UK and continent apply similar schemes. 
> 
> Adrian
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2019, at 17:45, Paul <ukkid35 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I suspect the furore over ULEZ will abate in the same way that the debate over Leaded Petrol has died down:
>> 
>> Those who dispute it have simply died
>> 
>> Here is a piece from 12 years ago
>> 
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/ban-on-leaded-petrol-has-cut-crime-rates-around-the-world-398151.html
>> 
>> There doesn't seem to be any doubt about the link now, despite the huge funding that was available to anyone who wanted to show otherwise
>> 
>> I suspect the same will happen with the current ULEZ debate, facts will simply overtake the argument
>> 
>> I live yards from the 2021 zone boundary, so I will have to be very careful which car I drive, and which way I turn at the end of the road where I live
>> 
>> However, one of my cars will still be exempt despite being 20 years old when the extended boudabry comes in to force, so the ULEZ provisions can hardly be described as draconian
>> 
>> Paul
>> 87 S4 Manual
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Adrian Langford via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>> At Motorfest Shropshire on this lovely day, and had some interesting conversations with people about impact of ULEZ as restrictions spread. 
>>> 
>>> Coincidentally (maybe not - it’s in the air) the latest Octane I took with me has a gloomy article on the issue, naming 928 as example of one of great classics caught out by the 1979-2005 blanket charge. It also quotes a dealer - Horsepower Hanger - who claim a 928 GTS sale just fell through thanks to ULEZ. 
>>> 
>>> If it continues to dampen interest in Classics, the impact isn’t restricted to owners having to pay charge or see values fall. It will affect livelihood of restorers, dealers and mechanics. 
>>> 
>>> Adrian
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