[928uk] Fab 928 video

[peter watts]

Ben,
thinners will remove paint, and should not be detrimental to anodising ,
make sure you protect the surrounding paintwork!!!
Peter in Yorkshire
928 S2
928 SE

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:38 PM Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great info indeed.
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> They must have used an organic dye process.
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> Probably a dumb question but aside from scratching is there a way of
> testing if the finish is paint or anodised? Or is testing to see if it will
> flake off the only way.
> Would like to know for sure what the process/finish on the door window
> trim is compared to the others. Upon another inspection it is different and
> whilst it has aged it’s still a deep shiny black colour.
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> Cheers
> Ben
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> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 13:40, jonathan--- via 928uk <
> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
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>> Hi Peter,
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>> Great info. So is it possible that the early 928’s had organic dye
>> colouration anodising?
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>> Does the surface finish look different for the two anodising processes
>> you describe?
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>> Jonathan
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>> *From:* peter watts <petermwatts2015 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:18
>> *To:* jonathan at rackowe.net; 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> Jonathan
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>> Hi
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>> Anodised material using UV stable colouring media will not fade
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>> -as the MD of the an anodising plant in the UK,  I have some experience
>> in this 😀
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>> The window trims on my S2 and SE are all anodised
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>> they should not fade, the satin anodised finish is very similar to satin
>> black paint.
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>> paint will strip and peel , anodising is integral with the aluminium
>> itself and should not change - but black anodising can be achieved by two
>> methods , organic dye colouration, which is a simple absorption of a dye
>> colour into the anodic film pores, and  electrocolour ( where metal salts
>> are deposited in the pores of the anodised film using electrical attraction
>> within the process tank before the film is sealed , generally dyed black is
>> not UV stable, electro colour is stable
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>> my S2 wheels were anodised ,m but had to be PPC coated on refurbishment
>> as the alloys had some corrosion and anodising will not hide corrosion, PPC
>> will
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>> hope this helps
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>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Adrian
>> Langford via 928uk
>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:04
>> *To:* Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> Hi Ben
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>> Just popped into garage to confirm all the trim pieces are metal, and all
>> in the same finish. Not glossy but shiny, so satin black would be closest
>> description.
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>> I can remember removing and replacing the two pieces of trim either side
>> of windscreen (when I installed GTS-style rubber inserts), and they were
>> very thin metal (thin enough to bend easily, so think I replaced both with
>> new!).
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>> Adrian
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>> *From:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:01
>> *To:* jonathan at rackowe.net
>> *Cc:* Adrian Langford <adrian.langford at qualitative.co.uk>; Ben Hodges <
>> benhodges1975 at gmail.com>; Jonathan Rackowe <jonathan at netvue.co.uk>;
>> 928UK List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> I think that anodising Stainless is a different prospect to anodising
>> Aluminium, but we do have an expert on anodising on the list who may join
>> in. Peter?!
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>> As regards the surface changing over time,, as you say, it is a change of
>> finish performed via electrolysis, but nonetheless it has finite thickness,
>> so could be weathered off I imagine?
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>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 12:50, jonathan--- via 928uk <
>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
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>> A beautiful looking early car, with its full respray, but that does beg
>> the question as to why the paint was restored to its original spec, but the
>> trim was not; seems an odd decision.
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>> Regarding the trim finish discussions, I’m pretty sure the rear quarter
>> window trims on my 91GT are metal, not plastic, and I wasn’t aware that an
>> anodised finish could fade, as the colour is introduced by oxidisation of
>> the outer surface of the material. Can someone please advise definitively
>> on whether anodised coloured aluminium can fade?
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>> Best regards,
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>> Jonathan
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>> West London, England
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>> 928GT 1991
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>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Ben Hodges
>> via 928uk
>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 16:02
>> *To:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> Hi Mark , the plastic is probably a lot easier to refit without bending
>> though! Not looking forward to that job!
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>> Cheers
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>> Ben
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>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 15:50, Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
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>> Oh, I see now! You said finish & I heard colour! At least yours are
>> metal, I think my GT ones are plastic on the rear quarters, which feels
>> less up-market. I love the embossed rear trim on the earlier cars too, just
>> that bit extra special.
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>> Mark N
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>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Ben Hodges
>> via 928uk
>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 15:41
>> *To:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> Hi Sharkmaster
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>> Yes I saw that too but the trim finish is different I’m sure of it. For
>> the rear quarter and hatch trim mine was the same when I removed it - under
>> the corner pieces it was a black satin finish. They have now been
>> re-anodised to that finish. The door ones are different though in that the
>> finish is gloss and, like the car in the vid, completely unfaded. Just
>> seems odd that they wouldn’t fade at all. They are also a much glossier
>> finish... I need to look closer when I strip doors next year.. maybe it’s a
>> paint vs anodised.
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>> If anyone on the list has an unrestored early car it would love to hear
>> their views on this.
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>> The mystery of it all... :-)
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>> Cheers
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>> Ben
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>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Adrian
>> Langford via 928uk
>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 17:44
>> *To:* Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
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>> I’ll have a look when in the garage tomorrow Ben, but I’m pretty sure
>> it’s same all way round.
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>> Best
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>> Adrian
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>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:51, Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Adrian
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>> I like all of them really - even those modern S4’s :-)
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>> Just replied to Sharkmaster on the trim. I need to have another look at
>> mine to see if I can work out what the actual finish is on the door window
>> trim. I think they must have used a different process compared to the other
>> bits.
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>> What is the finish on an S4? Does it match all the way around as you’d
>> normally expect?
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>> Cheers
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>> Ben
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>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Adrian Langford <
>> adrian.langford at qualitative.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Im a proud S4 owner Ben but have to agree — lines of first cars were just
>> beautiful and clean.
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>> Beware on trim though — he did say the rear window and hatch trims at
>> least had faded very badly in Californian sun! I actually wondered why they
>> were chrome at first!
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>> Adrian
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>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:20, Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks Adrian
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>> Best looking 928 IMHO but I am biased.
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>> It also helped with my trim finish question. Door window trim does have a
>> different finish to the other windows.
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>> Regards
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>> Ben
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 14:26, Adrian Langford via 928uk <
>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
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>> Yeah it’s first series so 4.5 and I persevered enough to hear him
>> confirm that above the SFX!
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>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 13:50, Michael Parris <michaeljparris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> It's a nice car but I can't put up with the rattling or something near
>> his mic and he wobbles on so much I didn't watch it all.  I think it's a
>> 4.5 motor, I'm not sure because he didn't confirm that enough.
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>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 23:42, Adrian Langford via 928uk <
>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
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>> Friend of mine (911 owner in fact) sent me this link. Wonderful homage to
>> an early car and the guy really nails the lure of 928s.
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>> It’s a few months old, so some of you may have already seen it?
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>> Cheers
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