[928uk] Fab 928 video

Tue Nov 24 18:02:56 UTC 2020

Another thought , fine abrasive paper say 1200 or 600 grit should slide
across anodising with gentle finger pressure , as it would across a
sapphire watch glass on a genuine Rolex or similar
but the same paper will catch and dig into paint, or a cheap replica rolex
plastic "glass"

NB:-if you have just tried this on your Rolex, and its scratched the glass
, dont blame me😀

Peter

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM peter watts via 928uk <
928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:

> Ben,
> thinners will remove paint, and should not be detrimental to anodising ,
> make sure you protect the surrounding paintwork!!!
> Peter in Yorkshire
> 928 S2
> 928 SE
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:38 PM Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Great info indeed.
>>
>> They must have used an organic dye process.
>>
>> Probably a dumb question but aside from scratching is there a way of
>> testing if the finish is paint or anodised? Or is testing to see if it will
>> flake off the only way.
>> Would like to know for sure what the process/finish on the door window
>> trim is compared to the others. Upon another inspection it is different and
>> whilst it has aged it’s still a deep shiny black colour.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ben
>>
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>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 13:40, jonathan--- via 928uk <
>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great info. So is it possible that the early 928’s had organic dye
>>> colouration anodising?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the surface finish look different for the two anodising processes
>>> you describe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan
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>>> *From:* peter watts <petermwatts2015 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:18
>>> *To:* jonathan at rackowe.net; 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Anodised material using UV stable colouring media will not fade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -as the MD of the an anodising plant in the UK,  I have some experience
>>> in this 😀
>>>
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>>>
>>> The window trims on my S2 and SE are all anodised
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> they should not fade, the satin anodised finish is very similar to satin
>>> black paint.
>>>
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>>>
>>> paint will strip and peel , anodising is integral with the aluminium
>>> itself and should not change - but black anodising can be achieved by two
>>> methods , organic dye colouration, which is a simple absorption of a dye
>>> colour into the anodic film pores, and  electrocolour ( where metal salts
>>> are deposited in the pores of the anodised film using electrical attraction
>>> within the process tank before the film is sealed , generally dyed black is
>>> not UV stable, electro colour is stable
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> my S2 wheels were anodised ,m but had to be PPC coated on refurbishment
>>> as the alloys had some corrosion and anodising will not hide corrosion, PPC
>>> will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hope this helps
>>>
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>>>
>>> Peter
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>>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Adrian
>>> Langford via 928uk
>>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:04
>>> *To:* Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just popped into garage to confirm all the trim pieces are metal, and
>>> all in the same finish. Not glossy but shiny, so satin black would be
>>> closest description.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can remember removing and replacing the two pieces of trim either side
>>> of windscreen (when I installed GTS-style rubber inserts), and they were
>>> very thin metal (thin enough to bend easily, so think I replaced both with
>>> new!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 24 November 2020 13:01
>>> *To:* jonathan at rackowe.net
>>> *Cc:* Adrian Langford <adrian.langford at qualitative.co.uk>; Ben Hodges <
>>> benhodges1975 at gmail.com>; Jonathan Rackowe <jonathan at netvue.co.uk>;
>>> 928UK List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that anodising Stainless is a different prospect to anodising
>>> Aluminium, but we do have an expert on anodising on the list who may join
>>> in. Peter?!
>>>
>>> As regards the surface changing over time,, as you say, it is a change
>>> of finish performed via electrolysis, but nonetheless it has finite
>>> thickness, so could be weathered off I imagine?
>>>
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>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 12:50, jonathan--- via 928uk <
>>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> A beautiful looking early car, with its full respray, but that does beg
>>> the question as to why the paint was restored to its original spec, but the
>>> trim was not; seems an odd decision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the trim finish discussions, I’m pretty sure the rear quarter
>>> window trims on my 91GT are metal, not plastic, and I wasn’t aware that an
>>> anodised finish could fade, as the colour is introduced by oxidisation of
>>> the outer surface of the material. Can someone please advise definitively
>>> on whether anodised coloured aluminium can fade?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> West London, England
>>>
>>> 928GT 1991
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>>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Ben
>>> Hodges via 928uk
>>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 16:02
>>> *To:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi Mark , the plastic is probably a lot easier to refit without bending
>>> though! Not looking forward to that job!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 15:50, Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, I see now! You said finish & I heard colour! At least yours are
>>> metal, I think my GT ones are plastic on the rear quarters, which feels
>>> less up-market. I love the embossed rear trim on the earlier cars too, just
>>> that bit extra special.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark N
>>>
>>> 90GT
>>>
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>>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Ben
>>> Hodges via 928uk
>>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 15:41
>>> *To:* Sharkmaster <hungrysharkster at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sharkmaster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes I saw that too but the trim finish is different I’m sure of it. For
>>> the rear quarter and hatch trim mine was the same when I removed it - under
>>> the corner pieces it was a black satin finish. They have now been
>>> re-anodised to that finish. The door ones are different though in that the
>>> finish is gloss and, like the car in the vid, completely unfaded. Just
>>> seems odd that they wouldn’t fade at all. They are also a much glossier
>>> finish... I need to look closer when I strip doors next year.. maybe it’s a
>>> paint vs anodised.
>>>
>>> If anyone on the list has an unrestored early car it would love to hear
>>> their views on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The mystery of it all... :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> *On Behalf Of *Adrian
>>> Langford via 928uk
>>> *Sent:* 23 November 2020 17:44
>>> *To:* Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* 928 List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Fab 928 video
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll have a look when in the garage tomorrow Ben, but I’m pretty sure
>>> it’s same all way round.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:51, Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like all of them really - even those modern S4’s :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just replied to Sharkmaster on the trim. I need to have another look at
>>> mine to see if I can work out what the actual finish is on the door window
>>> trim. I think they must have used a different process compared to the other
>>> bits.
>>>
>>> What is the finish on an S4? Does it match all the way around as you’d
>>> normally expect?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
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>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 15:39, Adrian Langford <
>>> adrian.langford at qualitative.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Im a proud S4 owner Ben but have to agree — lines of first cars were
>>> just beautiful and clean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Beware on trim though — he did say the rear window and hatch trims at
>>> least had faded very badly in Californian sun! I actually wondered why they
>>> were chrome at first!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:20, Ben Hodges <benhodges1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best looking 928 IMHO but I am biased.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It also helped with my trim finish question. Door window trim does have
>>> a different finish to the other windows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 14:26, Adrian Langford via 928uk <
>>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah it’s first series so 4.5 and I persevered enough to hear him
>>> confirm that above the SFX!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Nov 2020, at 13:50, Michael Parris <michaeljparris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a nice car but I can't put up with the rattling or something near
>>> his mic and he wobbles on so much I didn't watch it all.  I think it's a
>>> 4.5 motor, I'm not sure because he didn't confirm that enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
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>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 23:42, Adrian Langford via 928uk <
>>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Friend of mine (911 owner in fact) sent me this link. Wonderful homage
>>> to an early car and the guy really nails the lure of 928s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s a few months old, so some of you may have already seen it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
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>>> Adrian
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>>> https://youtu.be/y4nQornkkOw
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