[928uk] Pistonheads Skid Pad Training at Thruxton Dec 11th - ULEZ and road charging - driving car with MOT defects

[Simon]

I haven’t read all the posts on this.

But Sam I would suggest never draw attention to anything. If he has passed the headlights in the past just keep quiet and chances are he’ll keep passing it aof this detail.  If you open your mouth, you’ll start digging a huge hole. And then it gets markdown on the computer for ever.  I don’t know how well you know the guy, but with old classic cars, it’s always worth going to someone old school who understands them rather than somewhere like Kwik Fit, who will check every single tiny little detail on the latest rules. 

 By the way, Paul Dillon is an MOT tester, and he sometimes pops up on this list. 
I last saw him at the Nurburgring.  

In haste, best, Simon. 

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> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:03, Samuel Rees via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have anxiety about drawing the attention of my MOT tester to this detail
> in case they fail my car on the issue next time and I have to put all my
> halogens back in all over the front! (and breaking the plastic surrounds in
> the process.)
> 
> Sam
> 
>> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 11:56, <jonathan at netvue.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d suggest simply asking any MOT tester his/her opinion. I don’t think we
>> have an MOT tester on the list…
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 928 GT 1991 Amethyst Metallic
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Samuel Rees <mail at samuelrees.com>
>> *Sent:* 19 January 2023 10:44
>> *To:* jonathan at rackowe.net
>> *Cc:* smiffypr at gmail.com; 928uk at lists.928.org.uk; jonathan at netvue.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] Pistonheads Skid Pad Training at Thruxton Dec 11th
>> - ULEZ and road charging - driving car with MOT defects
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was just reading the section about LED headlight conversions and
>> wondering since my car is an 86.5 car - but on an 87 D plate, having been
>> imported (I think it was an armed services VAT free purchase in Germany)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is there any way of finding out if my car is old enough to be exempt from
>> this, ie.,first used before 1 April 1986?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've fitted a full set of Woodypeck front lights - driving (popup) lights,
>> fogs and side lights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So far my MOT garage in Sheffield hasn't failed them for 3 MOTs
>> (2020-2022) . I suspect they're not pedantic in their application of some
>> rules, but my car is serviced usually elsewhere, at Loe Bank.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sam
>> 
>> 86.5 S2 Auto Irisblau
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 19:52, Jonathan Rackowe via 928uk <
>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Smiffy,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please can you clarify “more things are now classified as dangerous”. I’ve
>> checked the MOT inspection manual updates from 2019 to 2022 and there are
>> no new ‘Dangerous’ items that I can see which could apply to our cars.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One bit of good news is that the requirement for halogen headlamp units
>> not to be converted to HID or LED was relaxed a bit in Mar 2021 and now
>> only applies to vehicles after 1 Apr 1986:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4.1.4. Headlamps - Compliance with requirements - Changed 'Existing
>> halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high
>> intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a
>> conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.' to 'Existing halogen
>> headlamp units on vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must not be
>> converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting
>> diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the
>> headlamp for light source and lamp not compatible.'
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ref:
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/updates
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone is aware of an online full list of MOT items that are classified
>> as ‘Dangerous’ please would they share a link, as it would be a useful
>> resource and I have been unable to find such a list.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 928 GT 1991 Amethyst Metallic
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Paul R Smith <smiffypr at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 18 January 2023 18:37
>> To: jonathan at rackowe.net; 928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Pistonheads Skid Pad Training at Thruxton Dec 11th -
>> ULEZ and road charging - driving car with MOT defects
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One problem is that more things are now classified as dangerous, so by all
>> means get your MoT done soon, but you still have to time it so that you can
>> cope if it is off the road for repairs if they classify anything as
>> dangerous.
>> 
>> Smiffy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/01/2023 18:04, jonathan at netvue.co.uk <mailto:jonathan at netvue.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple of clarifications:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ULEZ charge in London is £12.50/day. It is not charged if your car is
>> parked within the zone, only if you drive through a camera in the zone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The law says that you can still drive your vehicle if it fails an MOT test
>> and its existing MOT certificate is still valid (i.e. if your failed test
>> was before the expiry date) PROVIDED no 'Dangerous' defect was listed in
>> the failed MOT. ‘Major’ defects and ‘Minor’ defects still allow you to
>> drive away.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you drive with a 'Dangerous' defect listed in your new MOT you can be
>> fined up to £2,500, be banned from driving and get 3 penalty points.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Refs. https://www.theaa.com/mot/advice/what-do-i-do-if-my-mot-fails
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.autonetinsurance.co.uk/autonet-insurance-company-blog/autonet-insurance-company-blog/2012/03/09/failed-mot-can-i-drive-my-vehicle-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So always get a new MOT well before expiry of the old one – you can get a
>> new MOT up to a month before expiry. You will still get a full 12 months
>> new MOT from the expiry date of the old one.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 928 GT 1991 Amethyst Metallic
>> 
>>