[928uk] bulb monitor ecu

Tue Jun 4 09:23:46 UTC 2024

I think the 928 would be a great tow vehicle. Need to make a towbar though.

Ken G i l l e t t

S4 auto - ’89 in black/linen
S2 auto - '85 in garnet red/grey

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> On Mon 3 Jun 2024, at 16:51, Paul R Smith via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have towed one 928 on a trailer behind another 928 (not advisable, and probably not legal weight wise), but mostly just my un-braked motorcycle trailer that has also carried lots of other (inanimate) things too. I'm sure it's surprised a lot of people.
> 
> Smiffy
> 
> On 03/06/2024 16:09, Richard Armstrong via 928uk wrote:
>> First rule of holes Paul.......!!😁😁
>> So Smiffy has sheep. Baaaa
>> Richard
>> 
>> On 03/06/2024 15:31, Paul Lacey via 928uk wrote:
>>> Oh dear, it was a joke - read Smiffy's answer.
>>> What's he doing fitting towbars to his 928's ? Perhaps for his trailer taking piggies to market ?
>>> 
>>> P.S. that's also a joke I'm not suggesting Smiffy has piggies, obviously it's for his sheep
>>> 
>>> PL
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com [mailto:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 03 June 2024 15:24
>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'
>>> Cc: '928 List'
>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what you’re on PL !
>>> 
>>> Phil Rick started this thread with a query about the 92864160309 or 92864160311 bulb monitor units for a 90 model year 928.
>>> 
>>> Earlier bulb monitor units and towbars have nothing to do with the operation of the 87 onwards S4/SE/CS/GT/GTS bulb monitor units.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>  Sent: 03 June 2024 15:17
>>> To:jonathan at rackowe.net;smiffypr at gmail.com
>>> Cc: '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>> 
>>> No Jonathan,
>>> It's all about towbars on 928s - WTF
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Paul L
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 928uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk] On Behalf Of jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>> Sent: 03 June 2024 14:52
>>> To:smiffypr at gmail.com;928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>> 
>>> But this discussion is about the 87 onwards S4/SE/CS/GT/GTS bulb monitor units and has been since the start!
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>  On Behalf Of Paul R Smith via 928uk
>>> Sent: 03 June 2024 14:01
>>> To:928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>> 
>>> Jonathan, you looked at an '87 onwards version, the earlier ones are
>>> different. The tail lamp warning does work on balance, and the brake
>>> lamp circuit needs a minimum current (not a window).  I have had my
>>> towbar fitted to my '80 and '84, and I would get a warning if only one
>>> trailer tail light was working, and I didn't get any warnings caused by
>>> the extra load.
>>> 
>>> Smiffy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/06/2024 13:07, jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk wrote:
>>>> George, you are repeating the old myth that the bulb monitor compares the load one side with the other. As I have said before at least twice on this list, it simply does not work that way.
>>>> 
>>>> The bulb monitor separately monitors the current through each brake light bulb and through each set of tail light bulbs. The unit contains four 'window' comparators to check that each of the four monitored currents is within an absolute 'window' - i.e. not too high and not too low. That way it can detect bulb failure (open circuit or short circuit) or an incorrect bulb (too little or too much current flow).
>>>> 
>>>> You are correct that the 3rd brake light is connected in parallel with only one of the brake light bulbs (left side I believe) and so the bulb monitor is modified to have a different 'window' of acceptable current for that specific brake light.
>>>> 
>>>> There is nothing in the wiring diagrams to indicate that the Porsche mobile phone kit was connected in any way to the bulb monitor. I suspect I was repeating a rennlist myth myself there!
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> 
>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>   On Behalf Of George Layton via 928uk
>>>> Sent: 03 June 2024 11:46
>>>> To:928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>>> 
>>>>    From what I recall when I fitted a 3rd brake light to my GTS (it was
>>>> many years ago and my brain is now old) the light takes its power from
>>>> the circuit on 1 side at the rear. I understood that the bulb monitoring
>>>> unit had to be changed to allow for the now "unbalanced" load comparing
>>>> one side to the other.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps the mobile phone kit drew power from the circuit on one side of
>>>> a pair being monitored by the unit and so the unit had to be updated??
>>>> 
>>>> George.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 03/06/2024 11:18, jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I struggled to see the connection between the bulb monitor unit and the 90's mobile phone kit… but then who would doubt the infallibility of rennlist info!! 😃 (joking comment for those reading this in plain text without emoticons)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe 928 641 603 10 flashes the brake lights if you're on the phone! 😉  (another joking comment for those reading this in plain text)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>    On Behalf Of Paul R Smith via 928uk
>>>>> Sent: 02 June 2024 16:12
>>>>> To:928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I searched on this 928 641 603 10 in my PET, and it does find it, but it also shows
>>>>> 
>>>>> Market as USA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It quotes this number for up to 1990 with or without option 612 (prep
>>>>> 
>>>>> for phone) and 1991 onwards with no mention of option 612.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know what the link is with the phone kit, but it looks like it
>>>>> 
>>>>> is a red herring. 10 appears to be for all US versions 1987 onwards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Smiffy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:jonathan at rackowe.net    Sent: 02 June 2024 11:53
>>>>> To: phil rick<philrickse at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc:928uk at lists.928.org.uk
>>>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] bulb monitor ecu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone ever comes across 928 641 603 10, that was a version of the bulb monitor with modification for in-car telephone use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 928 641 603 09 Bulb control unit - rear lights (on left of passenger gloves shelf in UK)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 928 641 603 10  Bulb control unit - rear lights with modification for in-car telephone use
>>>>> 
>>>>> 928 641 603 11 Bulb control unit - rear lights with additional high rear brake light
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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