[928uk] Red SE

Sun Jun 16 11:55:08 UTC 2024

We are no rules but I find one “unwritten” rule is do not say anything on the list that you would not say to a persons face.
That rule has served me well and only once in 26 years have I had to block someone’s email because they sent me offensive messages off list.
Andrew 

> On 16 Jun 2024, at 11:23, Richard Armstrong via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Well
> Jonathan has pissed paul off enough to leave the list which is a great shame
> Richard
> 
>> On 16/06/2024 10:52, Michael Parris via 928uk wrote:
>> I'm a bit confused by this thread.  We are supposed to support each other,
>> why piss off a long standing member with unsubstantiated statements or
>> questions over the cars authenticity.
>> Surely, if you are a serious buyer you will make your own enquiries with
>> the seller of a car privately otherwise what business is it of yours?
>> As I say, confused.com.
>> 
>> Have a nice weekend, what's left of it, I've parked in a field watching
>> Spitfires take off in between the rain showers.
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024, 08:55 Paul Lacey via 928uk,<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> But you didn’t SAY you were talking about a different car - you just
>>> provided a VIN number.
>>> Read your email as others would read it not what’s in your head !
>>> Then, as I said, piss off
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul L
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 08:37,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I am concerned my email hopefully removed the doubt cast by
>>> Jonathan Rackowe by "confirming " that a different SE was the one suspected
>>> of having had an engine swap. Which is why I provided the  VIN number of
>>> that other car to confirm it is not your SE.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 17:13
>>>> To:jon928se at gmail.com
>>>> Cc:jonathan at rackowe.net; 928uk List<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, you guys seriously need to piss off.
>>>> The car you have suddenly entered into this has nothing whatsoever to do
>>> with mine.
>>>> Nobody understands what you’re on about and all it’s doing is casting
>>> doubt on my car.
>>>> Very sadly it’s time I leave this group as it contains some
>>> inconsiderate twats and I don’t need it.
>>>> My last post to this list. To the rest of you my best wishes, enjoy your
>>> most excellent cars !
>>>> 
>>>> Paul L
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 07:31,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All
>>>>> 
>>>>> My records suggest that
>>>>> 
>>>>> WP0ZZZ92ZJS841930
>>>>> Possible Reg PVF928
>>>>> 
>>>>> Was auctioned by Charterhouse Auctions July 2016, no longer has an SE
>>>>> engine and seats are sports seats but not SE trim.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only record I have of Pauls SE is that it is the 7th built and
>>>>> according to DVLA some time ago was damaged in 1970!!! So who knows if
>>>>> that info is correct. And had a number plate change in 1990.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One question - does it have the rear wheel spacers fitted in the
>>>>> photos - the wheels appear to far inset relative to the wheel arches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon H in Sydney
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>  On Behalf Of
>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 03:42
>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ? <<
>>>>> I *was* just asking you. I didn't expect there to be any issue as you
>>>>> previously told us the car has no hidden history. The auction page for
>>>>> the forest green CS in America showed VIN and engine no. at the top of
>>>>> the description, so I didn't think these details were any sort of
>>>>> secret. The VIN of my 928 GT is WP0ZZZ92ZMS800679 with Engine Type
>>> M28/47 and Engine No.
>>>>> 85M00758. Registration number J2XVX
>>>>> 
>>>>> To answer your question, I would only sell my GT in a no reserve
>>>>> auction if the starting price was one that I was happy to sell for.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can ask any questions about my 928 GT or tell me any info you have
>>>>> about it on this list. I really don't mind, and if I was selling it I
>>>>> wouldn't mind either, as then all publicity is good publicity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll look for your personal email next.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 16:35
>>>>> To:jonathan at rackowe.net
>>>>> Cc: '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>> What you do and what you discuss is of no interest or concern to me.
>>>>> But then, for reasons best known to you and whoever, you decide to be
>>>>> "messenger" and broadcast your questions / concerns to the wide World,
>>>>> any of whom could be potential bidder on my car.
>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ?
>>>>> So let me fill you in on a few points:
>>>>> I'm selling the car because I have to. Not because I want to. Would
>>>>> you sell your GT via a no reserve auction ?
>>>>> Would you be upset if you were selling your GT if I broadcast to
>>>>> 928.uk "Was that the car that was in a bad crash a few years ago" or
>>> some such ?
>>>>> So, in answer to your email - I will answer all your questions via
>>>>> personal email. I'm not broadcasting VIN numbers etc to all and sundry.
>>>>> Then, once I've answered all your questions, perhaps you'll be kind
>>>>> enough to revert to 928.uk list that I have done so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If there's further off-list discussion or questions I'd suggest you
>>>>> just ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Lacey
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 928uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 11:19
>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'
>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; 928UK List
>>>>> Subject: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll keep this short as I'm just a messenger here. There has been some
>>>>> speculation off-list recently about whether the red 928 E263DMR that
>>>>> you are selling through Bonhams is the 928 with an S4 engine that was
>>>>> advertised on ebay in Aug 2022, and mentioned on the 928UK list at
>>>>> that time as a possible SE. The change of V5C for E263DMR on 24 Aug
>>>>> 2022 seems to suggest this could be so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> To clear this up, please could you tell us all the VIN and engine
>>>>> number for the red 928 E263DMR that you are selling, and roughly when
>>>>> you acquired the car. Cheers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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