[928uk] Red SE

[Simon]

Well said Andrew. 
Best
Simon
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> On 16 Jun 2024, at 12:55, Andrew Brierley via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> We are no rules but I find one “unwritten” rule is do not say anything on the list that you would not say to a persons face.
> That rule has served me well and only once in 26 years have I had to block someone’s email because they sent me offensive messages off list.
> Andrew
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 11:23, Richard Armstrong via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Well
>> Jonathan has pissed paul off enough to leave the list which is a great shame
>> Richard
>> 
>>>> On 16/06/2024 10:52, Michael Parris via 928uk wrote:
>>> I'm a bit confused by this thread.  We are supposed to support each other,
>>> why piss off a long standing member with unsubstantiated statements or
>>> questions over the cars authenticity.
>>> Surely, if you are a serious buyer you will make your own enquiries with
>>> the seller of a car privately otherwise what business is it of yours?
>>> As I say, confused.com.
>>> 
>>> Have a nice weekend, what's left of it, I've parked in a field watching
>>> Spitfires take off in between the rain showers.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024, 08:55 Paul Lacey via 928uk,<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But you didn’t SAY you were talking about a different car - you just
>>>> provided a VIN number.
>>>> Read your email as others would read it not what’s in your head !
>>>> Then, as I said, piss off
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Paul L
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 08:37,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I am concerned my email hopefully removed the doubt cast by
>>>> Jonathan Rackowe by "confirming " that a different SE was the one suspected
>>>> of having had an engine swap. Which is why I provided the  VIN number of
>>>> that other car to confirm it is not your SE.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 17:13
>>>>> To:jon928se at gmail.com
>>>>> Cc:jonathan at rackowe.net; 928uk List<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, you guys seriously need to piss off.
>>>>> The car you have suddenly entered into this has nothing whatsoever to do
>>>> with mine.
>>>>> Nobody understands what you’re on about and all it’s doing is casting
>>>> doubt on my car.
>>>>> Very sadly it’s time I leave this group as it contains some
>>>> inconsiderate twats and I don’t need it.
>>>>> My last post to this list. To the rest of you my best wishes, enjoy your
>>>> most excellent cars !
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul L
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 07:31,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My records suggest that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WP0ZZZ92ZJS841930
>>>>>> Possible Reg PVF928
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Was auctioned by Charterhouse Auctions July 2016, no longer has an SE
>>>>>> engine and seats are sports seats but not SE trim.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only record I have of Pauls SE is that it is the 7th built and
>>>>>> according to DVLA some time ago was damaged in 1970!!! So who knows if
>>>>>> that info is correct. And had a number plate change in 1990.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One question - does it have the rear wheel spacers fitted in the
>>>>>> photos - the wheels appear to far inset relative to the wheel arches.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jon H in Sydney
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>  On Behalf Of
>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 03:42
>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ? <<
>>>>>> I *was* just asking you. I didn't expect there to be any issue as you
>>>>>> previously told us the car has no hidden history. The auction page for
>>>>>> the forest green CS in America showed VIN and engine no. at the top of
>>>>>> the description, so I didn't think these details were any sort of
>>>>>> secret. The VIN of my 928 GT is WP0ZZZ92ZMS800679 with Engine Type
>>>> M28/47 and Engine No.
>>>>>> 85M00758. Registration number J2XVX
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To answer your question, I would only sell my GT in a no reserve
>>>>>> auction if the starting price was one that I was happy to sell for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can ask any questions about my 928 GT or tell me any info you have
>>>>>> about it on this list. I really don't mind, and if I was selling it I
>>>>>> wouldn't mind either, as then all publicity is good publicity.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll look for your personal email next.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 16:35
>>>>>> To:jonathan at rackowe.net
>>>>>> Cc: '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>> What you do and what you discuss is of no interest or concern to me.
>>>>>> But then, for reasons best known to you and whoever, you decide to be
>>>>>> "messenger" and broadcast your questions / concerns to the wide World,
>>>>>> any of whom could be potential bidder on my car.
>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ?
>>>>>> So let me fill you in on a few points:
>>>>>> I'm selling the car because I have to. Not because I want to. Would
>>>>>> you sell your GT via a no reserve auction ?
>>>>>> Would you be upset if you were selling your GT if I broadcast to
>>>>>> 928.uk "Was that the car that was in a bad crash a few years ago" or
>>>> some such ?
>>>>>> So, in answer to your email - I will answer all your questions via
>>>>>> personal email. I'm not broadcasting VIN numbers etc to all and sundry.
>>>>>> Then, once I've answered all your questions, perhaps you'll be kind
>>>>>> enough to revert to 928.uk list that I have done so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If there's further off-list discussion or questions I'd suggest you
>>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul Lacey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 928uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 11:19
>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'
>>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; 928UK List
>>>>>> Subject: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll keep this short as I'm just a messenger here. There has been some
>>>>>> speculation off-list recently about whether the red 928 E263DMR that
>>>>>> you are selling through Bonhams is the 928 with an S4 engine that was
>>>>>> advertised on ebay in Aug 2022, and mentioned on the 928UK list at
>>>>>> that time as a possible SE. The change of V5C for E263DMR on 24 Aug
>>>>>> 2022 seems to suggest this could be so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To clear this up, please could you tell us all the VIN and engine
>>>>>> number for the red 928 E263DMR that you are selling, and roughly when
>>>>>> you acquired the car. Cheers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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