[928uk] Red SE. Off list

Sun Jun 16 14:21:38 UTC 2024

Hahahaha.
I have done that before. Its very embarassing but, I have to say, hilarious!
If you are prepared to say that to his face then there is nowt wrong.
I'm just upset that we have lost an excellent member of the 928 
community in Paul. He has no intention of coming back
Regards
Richard

On 16/06/2024 15:04, Simon Watson wrote:
> Now I’ve gone and done it.
> 🙈
>  The message below was meant for Andrew Brierley only in private who 
> is a very good old friend. But accidentally it has gone to the list. 
> I’m sorry about that.
>
> Jonathan, I do think you were completely out of order though.  But I 
> did not wish you to see it in quite such vivid terms.  And for that I 
> sincerely apologise to you and to anyone else who may have taken 
> offence.  As I say it was a mistake, I must’ve hit reply all by 
> mistake. It was not meant for anyone other than Andrew Brierley in 
> strict privacy as per the title.
>
> But it has happened now and so it can’t be helped.
>
> Let’s get on and enjoy our (928) and support each other, which is the 
> whole point of this list.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 14:56, Simon <simon at acs-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew, I hope you are well. Jonathan Rackowe is one of the most 
>> annoying stupid, pigheaded, rude, nosey, arrogant and inconsiderate 
>> people I have ever met. He really is a complete nob.  I know full 
>> well he won’t be bidding on it because he never has any money. 
>>  (Nothing wrong with that, everyone can have ups and downs). But this 
>> had nothing to do with him, it was none of his fucking business. (I 
>> am not swear at you).  Strictly privately between you and me I wrote 
>> to him privately ( politely) straight after he posted and told him 
>> what I thought.  I am waiting for an extremely horrible email back 
>> from him.  From what I have learned of him over the years he will 
>> either do that or go quiet and keep his head down. He should be 
>> bloody well ashamed of himself.
>> I already thought he was a cunt quite honestly, but this takes the 
>> biscuit.
>>
>> Anyway, moan over.
>>
>> I hope you are well and enjoying your cars. It has rained almost 
>> solidly in Norfolk for the last few months. Not much of a summer so far!
>>
>> All the very best, your long standing 928 pal and good friend
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 14:38, Simon <simon at acs-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well said Andrew.
>>> Best
>>> Simon
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 12:55, Andrew Brierley via 928uk 
>>>> <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are no rules but I find one “unwritten” rule is do not say 
>>>> anything on the list that you would not say to a persons face.
>>>> That rule has served me well and only once in 26 years have I had 
>>>> to block someone’s email because they sent me offensive messages 
>>>> off list.
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 11:23, Richard Armstrong via 928uk 
>>>>>> <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well
>>>>> Jonathan has pissed paul off enough to leave the list which is a 
>>>>> great shame
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/06/2024 10:52, Michael Parris via 928uk wrote:
>>>>>> I'm a bit confused by this thread.  We are supposed to support 
>>>>>> each other,
>>>>>> why piss off a long standing member with unsubstantiated 
>>>>>> statements or
>>>>>> questions over the cars authenticity.
>>>>>> Surely, if you are a serious buyer you will make your own 
>>>>>> enquiries with
>>>>>> the seller of a car privately otherwise what business is it of yours?
>>>>>> As I say, confused.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a nice weekend, what's left of it, I've parked in a field 
>>>>>> watching
>>>>>> Spitfires take off in between the rain showers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024, 08:55 Paul Lacey via 
>>>>>> 928uk,<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you didn’t SAY you were talking about a different car - you just
>>>>>>> provided a VIN number.
>>>>>>> Read your email as others would read it not what’s in your head !
>>>>>>> Then, as I said, piss off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 08:37,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I am concerned my email hopefully removed the doubt 
>>>>>>>> cast by
>>>>>>> Jonathan Rackowe by "confirming " that a different SE was the 
>>>>>>> one suspected
>>>>>>> of having had an engine swap. Which is why I provided the  VIN 
>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>> that other car to confirm it is not your SE.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 17:13
>>>>>>>> To:jon928se at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Cc:jonathan at rackowe.net; 928uk List<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow, you guys seriously need to piss off.
>>>>>>>> The car you have suddenly entered into this has nothing 
>>>>>>>> whatsoever to do
>>>>>>> with mine.
>>>>>>>> Nobody understands what you’re on about and all it’s doing is 
>>>>>>>> casting
>>>>>>> doubt on my car.
>>>>>>>> Very sadly it’s time I leave this group as it contains some
>>>>>>> inconsiderate twats and I don’t need it.
>>>>>>>> My last post to this list. To the rest of you my best wishes, 
>>>>>>>> enjoy your
>>>>>>> most excellent cars !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 07:31,jon928se at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My records suggest that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WP0ZZZ92ZJS841930
>>>>>>>>> Possible Reg PVF928
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was auctioned by Charterhouse Auctions July 2016, no longer 
>>>>>>>>> has an SE
>>>>>>>>> engine and seats are sports seats but not SE trim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only record I have of Pauls SE is that it is the 7th built and
>>>>>>>>> according to DVLA some time ago was damaged in 1970!!! So who 
>>>>>>>>> knows if
>>>>>>>>> that info is correct. And had a number plate change in 1990.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One question - does it have the rear wheel spacers fitted in the
>>>>>>>>> photos - the wheels appear to far inset relative to the wheel 
>>>>>>>>> arches.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jon H in Sydney
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>  On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 03:42
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ? <<
>>>>>>>>> I *was* just asking you. I didn't expect there to be any issue 
>>>>>>>>> as you
>>>>>>>>> previously told us the car has no hidden history. The auction 
>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>> the forest green CS in America showed VIN and engine no. at 
>>>>>>>>> the top of
>>>>>>>>> the description, so I didn't think these details were any sort of
>>>>>>>>> secret. The VIN of my 928 GT is WP0ZZZ92ZMS800679 with Engine Type
>>>>>>> M28/47 and Engine No.
>>>>>>>>> 85M00758. Registration number J2XVX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To answer your question, I would only sell my GT in a no reserve
>>>>>>>>> auction if the starting price was one that I was happy to sell 
>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can ask any questions about my 928 GT or tell me any info 
>>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>>> about it on this list. I really don't mind, and if I was 
>>>>>>>>> selling it I
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't mind either, as then all publicity is good publicity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll look for your personal email next.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Paul Lacey<t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 16:35
>>>>>>>>> To:jonathan at rackowe.net
>>>>>>>>> Cc: '928 List'<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>> What you do and what you discuss is of no interest or concern 
>>>>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>>>> But then, for reasons best known to you and whoever, you 
>>>>>>>>> decide to be
>>>>>>>>> "messenger" and broadcast your questions / concerns to the 
>>>>>>>>> wide World,
>>>>>>>>> any of whom could be potential bidder on my car.
>>>>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ?
>>>>>>>>> So let me fill you in on a few points:
>>>>>>>>> I'm selling the car because I have to. Not because I want to. 
>>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>>> you sell your GT via a no reserve auction ?
>>>>>>>>> Would you be upset if you were selling your GT if I broadcast to
>>>>>>>>> 928.uk "Was that the car that was in a bad crash a few years 
>>>>>>>>> ago" or
>>>>>>> some such ?
>>>>>>>>> So, in answer to your email - I will answer all your questions via
>>>>>>>>> personal email. I'm not broadcasting VIN numbers etc to all 
>>>>>>>>> and sundry.
>>>>>>>>> Then, once I've answered all your questions, perhaps you'll be 
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> enough to revert to 928.uk list that I have done so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there's further off-list discussion or questions I'd 
>>>>>>>>> suggest you
>>>>>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Lacey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: 928uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 11:19
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'
>>>>>>>>> Cc:jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; 928UK List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll keep this short as I'm just a messenger here. There has 
>>>>>>>>> been some
>>>>>>>>> speculation off-list recently about whether the red 928 
>>>>>>>>> E263DMR that
>>>>>>>>> you are selling through Bonhams is the 928 with an S4 engine 
>>>>>>>>> that was
>>>>>>>>> advertised on ebay in Aug 2022, and mentioned on the 928UK list at
>>>>>>>>> that time as a possible SE. The change of V5C for E263DMR on 
>>>>>>>>> 24 Aug
>>>>>>>>> 2022 seems to suggest this could be so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To clear this up, please could you tell us all the VIN and engine
>>>>>>>>> number for the red 928 E263DMR that you are selling, and 
>>>>>>>>> roughly when
>>>>>>>>> you acquired the car. Cheers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>

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