[928uk] Speculation on red SE

kenworthy sandy at sakenworthy.plus.com
Mon Jun 17 06:59:03 UTC 2024 

Absolutely agree Simon.
A sad day if we lose a wealth of expertise from the forum solely due to 
some feisty comments I couldn’t even catch up on let alone offer any 
comment.
Had the same situation on an aircraft forum recently, must be something 
in the water.
This forum is magic.
Duncan
79 928 auto


On 2024-06-16 11:21, Simon Watson via 928uk wrote:
> Well said both of you (Mike and Howard).
> What you both say is absolutely correct.
> We are here to support each other and enjoy the wonderful Porsches
> that we are lucky enough to own.
> Simon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 11:11, Howard Miller via 928uk 
>> <928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn't going to say anything and then I was going to say something 
>> and so
>> on...
>> 
>> I've no idea what's going on here and, honestly, I don't care. But 
>> whatever
>> it is, it's in the wrong place. This "handbags at dawn" stuff sounds 
>> like a
>> private fight and should have been conducted as such.
>> 
>> Howard
>> 
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 at 10:53, Michael Parris via 928uk <
>>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit confused by this thread.  We are supposed to support each 
>>> other,
>>> why piss off a long standing member with unsubstantiated statements 
>>> or
>>> questions over the cars authenticity.
>>> Surely, if you are a serious buyer you will make your own enquiries 
>>> with
>>> the seller of a car privately otherwise what business is it of yours?
>>> As I say, confused.com.
>>> 
>>> Have a nice weekend, what's left of it, I've parked in a field 
>>> watching
>>> Spitfires take off in between the rain showers.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024, 08:55 Paul Lacey via 928uk, 
>>> <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But you didn’t SAY you were talking about a different car - you just
>>>> provided a VIN number.
>>>> Read your email as others would read it not what’s in your head !
>>>> Then, as I said, piss off
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Paul L
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 08:37, jon928se at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I am concerned my email hopefully removed the doubt cast 
>>>>> by
>>>> Jonathan Rackowe by "confirming " that a different SE was the one
>>> suspected
>>>> of having had an engine swap. Which is why I provided the  VIN 
>>>> number of
>>>> that other car to confirm it is not your SE.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Paul Lacey <t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 17:13
>>>>> To: jon928se at gmail.com
>>>>> Cc: jonathan at rackowe.net; 928uk List <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, you guys seriously need to piss off.
>>>>> The car you have suddenly entered into this has nothing whatsoever 
>>>>> to
>>> do
>>>> with mine.
>>>>> Nobody understands what you’re on about and all it’s doing is 
>>>>> casting
>>>> doubt on my car.
>>>>> Very sadly it’s time I leave this group as it contains some
>>>> inconsiderate twats and I don’t need it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My last post to this list. To the rest of you my best wishes, enjoy
>>> your
>>>> most excellent cars !
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul L
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from mobile device, please excuse typos
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 16 Jun 2024, at 07:31, jon928se at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My records suggest that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WP0ZZZ92ZJS841930
>>>>>> Possible Reg PVF928
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Was auctioned by Charterhouse Auctions July 2016, no longer has an 
>>>>>> SE
>>>>>> engine and seats are sports seats but not SE trim.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only record I have of Pauls SE is that it is the 7th built and
>>>>>> according to DVLA some time ago was damaged in 1970!!! So who 
>>>>>> knows if
>>>>>> that info is correct. And had a number plate change in 1990.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One question - does it have the rear wheel spacers fitted in the
>>>>>> photos - the wheels appear to far inset relative to the wheel 
>>>>>> arches.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jon H in Sydney
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>> Sent: 16 June 2024 03:42
>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey' <t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Cc: jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; '928 List' <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ? <<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I *was* just asking you. I didn't expect there to be any issue as 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> previously told us the car has no hidden history. The auction page 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the forest green CS in America showed VIN and engine no. at the 
>>>>>> top of
>>>>>> the description, so I didn't think these details were any sort of
>>>>>> secret. The VIN of my 928 GT is WP0ZZZ92ZMS800679 with Engine Type
>>>> M28/47 and Engine No.
>>>>>> 85M00758. Registration number J2XVX
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To answer your question, I would only sell my GT in a no reserve
>>>>>> auction if the starting price was one that I was happy to sell 
>>>>>> for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can ask any questions about my 928 GT or tell me any info you 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> about it on this list. I really don't mind, and if I was selling 
>>>>>> it I
>>>>>> wouldn't mind either, as then all publicity is good publicity.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll look for your personal email next.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Paul Lacey <t595 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 16:35
>>>>>> To: jonathan at rackowe.net
>>>>>> Cc: '928 List' <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>> What you do and what you discuss is of no interest or concern to 
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>> But then, for reasons best known to you and whoever, you decide to 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> "messenger" and broadcast your questions / concerns to the wide 
>>>>>> World,
>>>>>> any of whom could be potential bidder on my car.
>>>>>> Why did you not just ask me ?
>>>>>> So let me fill you in on a few points:
>>>>>> I'm selling the car because I have to. Not because I want to. 
>>>>>> Would
>>>>>> you sell your GT via a no reserve auction ?
>>>>>> Would you be upset if you were selling your GT if I broadcast to
>>>>>> 928.uk "Was that the car that was in a bad crash a few years ago" 
>>>>>> or
>>>> some such ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, in answer to your email - I will answer all your questions via
>>>>>> personal email. I'm not broadcasting VIN numbers etc to all and
>>> sundry.
>>>>>> Then, once I've answered all your questions, perhaps you'll be 
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>> enough to revert to 928.uk list that I have done so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If there's further off-list discussion or questions I'd suggest 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul Lacey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 928uk [mailto:928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> jonathanrackowe--- via 928uk
>>>>>> Sent: 15 June 2024 11:19
>>>>>> To: 'Paul Lacey'
>>>>>> Cc: jonathanrackowe at gmail.com; 928UK List
>>>>>> Subject: [928uk] Speculation on red SE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll keep this short as I'm just a messenger here. There has been 
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> speculation off-list recently about whether the red 928 E263DMR 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you are selling through Bonhams is the 928 with an S4 engine that 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> advertised on ebay in Aug 2022, and mentioned on the 928UK list at
>>>>>> that time as a possible SE. The change of V5C for E263DMR on 24 
>>>>>> Aug
>>>>>> 2022 seems to suggest this could be so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To clear this up, please could you tell us all the VIN and engine
>>>>>> number for the red 928 E263DMR that you are selling, and roughly 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> you acquired the car. Cheers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>

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