[928uk] front springs - was front upper control arm ball joint nut

Thu Jan 23 08:33:52 UTC 2025

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On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 at 08:16, David Adler <securiphlop at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, I will look it up.
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Howard Miller <howardsmiller at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2025 8:14:44 AM
> *To:* David Adler <securiphlop at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* 928uk at lists.928.org.uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>; smiffypr at gmail.com
> <smiffypr at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] front springs - was front upper control arm ball
> joint nut
>
> That's what's left of the bracket that holds the connector for the ABS and
> the pad sensor. The big hole goes under the nut for the upper wishbone.
>
> But... that is knackered.
>
> Howard
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 at 23:03, David Adler via 928uk <
> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Sorry, fixed the link <
> https://1drv.ms/i/c/125c1733b19fb2f3/EdrciT3h0FpCgdFaYOlQY2ABLqqs2zQwLttdPD_hvf2Slg?e=dPLPOs
> >
> [
> https://westeurope1-mediap.svc.ms/transform/thumbnail?provider=spo&farmid=189040&inputFormat=JPG&cs=NWQ2NjE5NTAtMzQ3NS00MWNkLWEyYzMtZDY3MWEzMTYyYmMxfFNQTw&docid=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.microsoftpersonalcontent.com%2F_api%2Fv2.0%2Fdrives%2Fb!8TjvAz7VHE2ptNx75HvQgHcq0KSB9y5AqPA_9sp5npRb2aSpKM-6TI19ucxdbPhy%2Fitems%2F01UZUM5RO23SET3YOQLJBIDUK2MDUVAY3A%3Ftempauth%3Dv1e.eyJzaXRlaWQiOiIwM2VmMzhmMS1kNTNlLTRkMWMtYTliNC1kYzdiZTQ3YmQwODAiLCJhcHBpZCI6IjVkNjYxOTUwLTM0NzUtNDFjZC1hMmMzLWQ2NzFhMzE2MmJjMSIsImF1ZCI6IjAwMDAwMDAzLTAwMDAtMGZmMS1jZTAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMC9teS5taWNyb3NvZnRwZXJzb25hbGNvbnRlbnQuY29tQDkxODgwNDBkLTZjNjctNGM1Yi1iMTEyLTM2YTMwNGI2NmRhZCIsImV4cCI6IjE3Mzc1MTQ4MDAifQ.xQJa2iZ_91jQwxoLzD6rLbFxV2DGDWfZW6YJqcBG_wnKVEifDGbHxjWR9cRADebYW743Z0OEdUQKSvuzqsOLVRiyvF9kRDPvXPz7w2Qe0mmfh2wjwUDE-IrnDjuDXMZeQYDum8afEHulD_iXEdT1IxOF5iBfnPqqXnA2mnob532HcN5y2gFYyel769qQI1PJM6ukp1cPDBpyw2vpOKbKGLjqu2PL-LDkUMtTp8P0iu5WtlaTTPXfi_yn-FYy4qTOB3KXEYdACw6cME695EtJ9-8SKGVsL7dasuIWTCDstKaHnkWsyplV1mixzo4aIssNY1QhZFy2CG0YheBTQQTcKnaDV67cw3yb5PuRQNk1LhPo5froOn_PmnWnivsH6l6h34ubg_TnmLcmAcebg6J53xy3wEwMdxXxUQ4UnFTr2u0u6tqmbQl6W7Z65yKzSvU1.7Cw9I-PdpWmRSBNaTxAj4i7g-2WS_Md3r3Eks3BkkIM%26version%3DPublished&width=176&height=176&cb=63873092914
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> [
> https://res.public.onecdn.static.microsoft/assets/mail/file-icon/png/cloud_blue_16x16.png]DSC_1981.JPG
>
> Bitten the bullet and bought the shields.....
>
> Thanks
>
> ________________________________
> From: 928uk <928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk> on behalf of Paul R Smith
> via 928uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> Sent: 21 January 2025 22:12
> To: 928uk at lists.928.org.uk <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] front springs - was front upper control arm ball
> joint nut
>
> They guide air onto the brakes, any bit of sheet metal would do.
>
> Can't see the picture, you need to grant access.
>
> Smiffy
>
> On 21/01/2025 21:54, David Adler via 928uk wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> A couple more questions please. How important are the aluminium heat
> shields, 92834138405 and 305? I ask as one of mine has self destructed. Can
> I use anything else? A few secondhand ones on ebay but they seems expensive
> imo.
>
> Secondly, I can't remember where one small bracket goes and can't really
> see it on photos, link here:
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>
> Thanks
> David
>
> ________________________________
> From: 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>  on behalf of Jonathan
> Rackowe via 928uk<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> Sent: 20 January 2025 18:37
> To: Paul R Smith<smiffypr at gmail.com>
> Cc: Jonathan Rackowe<jonathanrackowe at gmail.com>; 928 List<
> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [928uk] front springs - was front upper control arm ball
> joint nut
>
> The missing turn on the spring coil would make a bit of difference, but the
> handling of the car is not affected by spring stiffness alone. The 2 front
> "corners" are not independent. The shock absorbers, the anti-roll bar, and
> the chassis all play their part in the car's handling. And any asymmetry in
> weight of engine ancilliaries and driver/passenger will also have an
> effect.
>
> So I don't think the missing turn on the spring coil would be as noticeable
> in general driving as your message suggests Smiffy. It certainly seems
> David hadn't noticed anything strange.
>
> Nicer to have both springs the same ideally though.
>
> Best regards
> Jonathan
>
> 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, 12:27 pm Paul R Smith via 928uk, <
> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > If the two springs are the same diameter, same diameter wire, then an
> > extra coil will make a difference in proportion to the number of coils,
> > e.g. 8 coils instead of 7 will be 7/8 as stiff. I would expect that to
> > be noticeable when you brake or corner. I don't know though, as I've not
> > tried it. I though the situation was that one spring was NOW different
> > from the other.
> >
> > If you have matched springs and matched adjusters, you will be within
> > spec for corner balance. I know, I have had my '80 on corner scales. I
> > have also seen cars where the adjusters were vastly different, maybe an
> > inch between sides, you can work out how much difference that will make
> > to corner weights if you know the spring rates.
> >
> > Smiffy
> >
> > On 20/01/2025 12:13, Jonathan Rackowe via 928uk wrote:
> >
> > Hi David, if you never noticed the difference in feel and handling
> before I
> > wouldn't worry too much. 1 turn of spring coil won't make a huge deal of
> > difference, so long as you can get the ride height correct both sides. A
> > car is rarely exactly balanced side to side unless it has been adjusted
> for
> > corner weights with the driver sat in it, like a race car.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Jonathan
> >
> > 1991 928 GT Amethyst Metallic
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, 9:31 am Howard Miller via 928uk, <
> > 928uk at lists.928.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> There are a load of different springs depending on year, options and
> > which
> >> shocks are fitted. It's all very confusing. If you're lucky, you might
> >> still find the paint marks on the original springs.
> >>
> >> However, it then comes down to what you can actually get hold of. I
> don't
> >> know... I might think about getting a decent set of used, matched
> > springs.
> >> But part of me thinks that if it's currently working I might leave it
> >> alone.
> >>
> >> Howard
> >>
> >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 at 18:15, David Adler<securiphlop at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> First of all, the trick about levering for friction worked perfectly so
> > I
> >>> am a happy bunny.
> >>>
> >>> I've now started on the near side but have a dilemma.  I thought early
> >>> cars 78-80 had a slightly longer spring than my car i.e. an extra ring.
> >>> When I did my off-side which I had previously changed 10 years ago (yes
> > I
> >>> know it's best to do in pairs hence why I am doing it this time) sure
> >>> enough my old spring was what I expected - 1 less ring compared to an
> >> early
> >>> car. Having removed my near side spring, which I have never changed in
> > my
> >>> ownership, it's got the longer spring! How much difference does this
> >> make?
> >>> Should I buy a shorter spring to match the off-side as I don't fancy
> >>> undoing it all again?
> >>>
> >>> Hope this makes sense.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* 928uk<928uk-bounces at lists.928.org.uk>   on behalf of David
> Adler
> >>> via 928uk<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> >>> *Sent:* 17 January 2025 12:58
> >>> *To:* Howard Miller<howardsmiller at gmail.com>
> >>> *Cc:*928uk at lists.928.org.uk<928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [928uk] front upper control arm ball joint nut
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone for the advice.
> >>>
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> >>>
> >
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> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Howard Miller<howardsmiller at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2025 12:57:18 PM
> >>> To: David Adler<securiphlop at hotmail.com>
> >>> Cc:928uk at lists.928.org.uk   <928uk at lists.928.org.uk>
> >>> Subject: Re: [928uk] front upper control arm ball joint nut
> >>>
> >>> You probably know but it bears repeating... I assume you know that
> those
> >>> arms / ball joints are unobtainium?  So tread carefully.
> >>>
> >>> I would replace the nut with shiny new nyloc.
> >>>
> >>> H
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 19:06, David Adler via 928uk <
> >>> 928uk at lists.928.org.uk<mailto:928uk at lists.928.org.uk>> wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I have just replaced my front shock etc and decided to undo the front
> >>> upper control arm ball joint nut to give me more space. It's now time
> to
> >>> put it back and despite jacking up the lower control arm to raise the
> >>> suspension, the whole upper ball joint spins when I turn the nut. Am I
> >>> doing something stupid?
> >>>
> >>> TIA
> >>>
> >>> David 1984 S2 manual.
> >>>
>
>